2022-01-21
January 21, 2022
3rd edition of the 10th year of SmartDrivingCars eLetter
A Tesla on autopilot killed two people in Gardena. Is the driver guilty of manslaughter?
H. Smith & R. Mitchell, Jan 19. “On Dec. 29, 2019, a Honda Civic pulled up to the intersection of Artesia Boulevard and Vermont Avenue in Gardena. It was just after midnight. The traffic light was green.
As the car proceeded through the intersection, a 2016 Tesla Model S on Autopilot exited a freeway, ran through a red light and crashed into the Civic. The Civic’s driver, Gilberto Alcazar Lopez, and his passenger, Maria Guadalupe Nieves-Lopez, were killed instantly.
Nearly two years later, prosecutors in Los Angeles County filed two counts of vehicular manslaughter against the driver of the Tesla, 27-year-old Kevin George Aziz Riad. Experts believe it is the first felony prosecution in the United States of a driver accused of causing a fatality while using a partially automated driver-assist system.
As such, the case represents a milestone in the increasingly confusing world of automated driving.
“It’s a wake-up call for drivers,” said Alain Kornhauser,… “Read more Hmmmm… My comments are quoted in the article. Alain
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 252, Zoom-Cast Episode 2 /Michael Krauss, Prof. of Law Emeritus & Alexandra Mueller, IIHS
F. Fishkin, Jan. 20, “The IIHS has announced it will rate vehicle partial automation systems. Spearheading is research scientist Alexandra Mueller who joins us. And Professor Emeritus Michael Krauss from the George Mason University School of Law on the manslaughter charges leveled in a Tesla autopilot case in California. Episode 252 of Smart Driving Cars with Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin.”
SmartDrivingCars Zoom-Cast Episode 2 /A. Kornhauser: Making it Happen: Trenton MOVES… a Framework for…
F. Fishkin, Jan. 15, “In this special edition of Smart Driving Cars, Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and his presentation: Making it Happen: Trenton Moves-a framework for the deployment of safe, equitable, affordable, sustainable, high quality transportation. The focus is on providing autonomous mobility in a place where there is real need. A first. Join the effort.”
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New Jersey Pioneers Transportation Solutions For Mobility-Marginalized Communities
S. Rangwala, Jan 21, “Apart from cranberries, New Jersey is probably best known for the beautiful aerial view as you approach the landing at Newark Airport. It achieved international fame two decades ago when The Sopranos premiered on HBO in 1999. The image of Tony Soprano smoking a cigar and driving through the New Jersey Turnpike in the opening sequence (with the theme song Woke up This Morning playing in the background) etched images of New Jersey suburbia and locales into the memories of millions of viewers worldwide. The Garden State is now poised to become famous in a less notorious way, by addressing a slightly different challenge - deploying safe, equitable, affordable, sustainable, and efficient transportation to serve mobility-marginalized groups. Tony would have loved this! (Disclosure: I live in New Jersey and I love it!)
The NJ Department of Transportation recently announced the “Trenton MOVES” project. MOVES stands for “Mobility & Opportunity: Vehicles Equity System” - and is designed to eliminate transportation inefficiencies that exist in various under-served communities in the state. “Read more Hmmmm… Love it. Of course. Alain
IIHS creates safeguard ratings for partial automation
Press release, Jan. 20, “The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety is developing a new ratings program that evaluates the safeguards that vehicles with partial automation employ to help drivers stay focused on the road.
The safeguards will be rated good, acceptable, marginal or poor. To earn a good rating, systems will need to ensure that the driver’s eyes are directed at the road and their hands are either on the wheel or ready to grab it at all times. Escalating alerts and appropriate emergency procedures when the driver does not meet those conditions will also be required.
IIHS expects to issue the first set of ratings in 2022. The precise timing is uncertain because ongoing supply chain woes in the auto industry have made it more difficult to obtain vehicles for testing.
“Partial automation systems may make long drives seem like less of a burden, but there is no evidence that they make driving safer,” says IIHS President David Harkey. “In fact, the opposite may be the case if systems lack adequate safeguards.”…” Read more Hmmmm… An excellent “1st step”! However, how close do hands need to be to the steering wheel? Why is there no focus on the location of the feet. Isn’t averting a crash by steering less appropriate than braking or accelerating? Isn’t the tendency to “oversteer and flip” in an emergency situation more risky than slamming on the brakes or accelerating to get out in front of it???? My point is… no need to ride the brakes or the gas pedal or keep your hands on the wheel. Keeping your hands and feet near and available to the controls is what is important. No??? Sure, don’t be holding 2 hot cups of coffee at the same time, but aren’t there more simple things like making sure there is a butt in the driver’s seat, not being drunk and having eyes on the road ahead essentially all of the time is easier and more critically.
One does need to monitor the environment to the side and rear as well as have the opportunity in non-critical situations to gaze quickly at other things. When the driver is “looking around” maybe the “alertness” of the automated driving system should be correspondingly higher. …
Very nice beginning by IIHS. Keep learning and improving. Alain
An Eyewitness View of the LVCC Loop – #CES2022
K. Pyle, Jan. 15, “One of the CES2022 highlights was under the show floor. The LVCC Loop made its CES debut quietly hauling attendees between the West and Central Halls of the Las Vegas Convention Center.
With speeds of up to 40 MPH, it takes approximately two minutes to cover the 1/2 mile journey between the West and Central Halls. It can reportedly carry up to 4,400 people per hour with its 70 Teslas.
It only took approximately two years from its May 2019 announcement to complete the twin, approximately one-mile, tunnels, and three stations. Tunneling occurred while conventions were held, with no road closures, and without disturbing attendees. According to the Boring Company,… “Read more Hmmmm… Excellent. Watch the video. Alain
SpaceX Veterans Aim To Shake Up Freight Rail With Electric, Robotic Trains
Forbes, Jan. 20, “The Los Angeles company thinks the future of freight lies in autonomous battery-powered trains that squeeze far more capacity out of existing rail lines.
L.A.-based Parallel Systems, which just raised $50 million, thinks it can squeeze far more capacity out of existing rail lines.
Parallel Systems Mile-long, slow-moving diesel trains loaded with cargo chugging slowly across the U.S. could be a thing of the past one day if stealth startup Parallel Systems has its way. The Los Angeles company thinks the future of freight lies in autonomous battery-powered trains that squeeze far more capacity out of existing rail lines. …” Read more Hmmmm… Very interesting!! If these could actually operate without a “2-person crew”, it would provide railroads the opportunity to run containers/freight cars Point2Point rather than RailYard2RailYard. This may make operation of one-car trains economically viable. Wow!!!! This would revolutionize railroading!!! See also. Alain
Here’s Where Subway Riders Have Returned. And Where They Haven’t
M. Gold (& B. Norman (video), Jan. 17, “…Nearly two years after the coronavirus engulfed New York, causing a virtual abandonment of the country’s largest transportation network, riders have slowly returned to the subway in an uneven pattern that underscores the economic divide at the heart of the city’s fitful recovery.
Stations in lower-income areas in Brooklyn, Queens and Upper Manhattan, where residents are less likely to be able to work from home and typically depend more on public transit, have rebounded far faster than stations in office-heavy sections of Manhattan, including some that were once the busiest in the system, where many workers are still able to work remotely. …” Read more Hmmmm… What a wonderful article including an innovative use of time lapse - stop motion compilations that authenticate the reporting. The only improvement might be to add a side-by-side to each of the same place, same surveillance camera, same day-of the week, same week-of the year, same time span, same frame rate, 2018. Alain
Elon Musk claims zero crashes in Tesla’s Full Self-Driving Beta over a year into the program
F. Lambert, Jan. 17, “Elon Musk claims that Tesla has not had a single crash in its Full Self-Driving Beta program since the start over a year ago, but that’s just as much proof that the testers are being careful as a proof that the system is safe.
“Full Self-Driving Beta” (FSD Beta) is an early version of Tesla’s self-driving software that is currently being tested by a fleet of Tesla owners selected by the company and through its “safety test score.”…” Read more Hmmmm… Sure would be nice if independent (peer reviewed) verification existed for such claims. Not that we don’t trust Elon, but … I offered in the past, without success, to conduct such a peer review on a pro bono basis. I offer again…. 😎 Alain
All change please? GILLIG finds tech partner for self-driving buses
N. Carey, Jan 10, “RR.AI, a unit of self-driving technology startup Robotic Research, and U.S. bus maker GILLIG said on Monday they will jointly develop driver assistance systems and self-driving technology for commuter buses in the United States.
Making taxis autonomous has proved more difficult and expensive to develop than expected, but investors have pumped money into trucks and other commercial vehicles where automation could be viable sooner. Read more Hmmmm… Interesting. Alain
Tesla Subscription service launches in California with 100 Model 3s, aims for fleet of 10,000
F. Lambert, Jan. 21, “A new startup called Autonomy launches in California as a Tesla subscription service with a fleet of 100 Model 3 vehicles, which it aims to grow to 10,000 Tesla vehicles by the end of the year.
The question is: Who is it for?
The concept of “subscribing” to a car instead of outright buying it or leasing it has gained traction in recent years.
Several automakers and third-party companies have started such services, which have the main advantage of being simpler and requiring less commitment than leases..” Read more Hmmmm… OK, but those subscribing better be well trained on using the any driving assistance features that are engaged/disengaged at the discretion of the driver and require vigilant driver monitoring, such as AutoPilot, FSD, “Stupid” Summon. …
If it is not on all the time, then it probably should not be made available for transient users. Else, safety might well be substantially compromised. Alain
Watch This Scary Video That Illustrates A Lot Of What’s Wrong With Tesla’s “FSD”
R. King, Dec. 12, “…The video begins with the Model Y rounding a long, gentle curve on a two-lane road. As another vehicle approaches the Tesla in the opposing lane, the Model Y straightens its steering to send the electric crossover on a path for a head-on collision. The driver reacts quickly to retake control from the Full Self-Driving Beta and pull their Model Y back to the right….
However, the force needed to disengage “FSD” and avoid the head-on collision caused the driver to overcorrect. …” Read more Hmmmm… See video. What??? Essentially no torque is needed to arrest control of steering. Did a dog also eat this person’s homework? Alain
Tesla Insurance expands to Arizona and Ohio, now available in five states
F. Lambert, Jan. 20, “Tesla had already introduced its own insurance product in California, but it didn’t utilize real-time driving data and Tesla’s safety score, which had been its original goal.
Before expanding its insurance product to other markets, the company wanted to build up its safety score system, which utilizes driving data collected in real-time from Tesla vehicles to determine if you are a “good driver” based on things like the number of “Forward Collision Warnings” you get, the amount of hard braking you do, aggressive turning, unsafe following distance, and if you get forced Autopilot disengagements.
In October, Tesla finally launched its new insurance product based on the safety score in Texas…” Read more Hmmmm… We’ve been suggesting for some time that OEMs may well have much more current data to assess expected liability of their cars than the traditional insurance actuary. Consequently they may well be better able to price insurance thus capturing safe drivers and either pricing well or simply purging unsafe drivers off their book of business. 😎 Alain
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Making it Happen: Trenton MOVES… a Framework for the Deployment of Safe, Equitable, Affordable, Sustainable, High-quality Mobility
A. Kornhauser, Jan 11 TRB, “A slide deck describing the framework for a phased deployment of high-quality mobility in Trenton New Jersey that is envisioned to have wherewithal to naturally scale beyond Trenton in a fashion that can be replicated the more than 100 communities across the US that have similar demographic and travel demand characteristics.” Read more Hmmmm… Go through the slides in presentation mode to take advantage of the animations. See… SmartDrivingCars Zoom-Cast Episode 2 /A. Kornhauser: Making it Happen: Trenton MOVES… a Framework for… Alain
December 11, 2021
Press Release… REQUEST FOR EXPRESSION OF INTEREST: Trenton MOVES
P. Murphy, Dec. 6, “The New Jersey Department of Transportation (“NJDOT”), an instrumentality of the State of New Jersey, has issued a Request for Expression of Interest (“RFEI”) to identify experienced firms capable of introducing a safe, equitable, affordable, sustainable, and efficient on-demand automated vehicle mobility systems in and beyond Trenton, NJ.
NJDOT is soliciting written Expression of interest from qualified and experienced vendors to gain valuable insight from the private industry regarding the goals set forth in the Trenton MOVES (Mobility & Opportunity: Vehicles Equity System) potential project and assess its viability.
If and when NJDOT elects to proceed with a potential project, NJDOT may issue formal Request(s) for Qualifications or Proposals.
The RFEI is available to be downloaded at https://www.nj.gov/transportation/business/procurement/ems/current.shtm…
- Potential Project Summary
The State of New Jersey is exploring a transportation equity and sustainable energy opportunity within the capital city of Trenton. Trenton MOVES (Mobility & Opportunity: Vehicles Equity System) will be led by the Governor’s Office, NJ Department of Transportation, the City of Trenton, and one or more institutions of higher education.
Trenton MOVES is exploring the feasibility of deploying ~100 AVs to serve as low-capacity (4-8 passenger), high-quality (on-demand, kiosk-to-kiosk) shuttles to serve the 90,000 residents who live in the City of Trenton’s 8 square miles. The effort will be phased in over two (2) years and will serve the population of New Jersey’s capital city, a population where 70% of households have one or fewer cars. A proof-of-concept Operational Design
Domain (“ODD”) is described in Section 3.1. … “Read more Hmmmm… How fantastic is this! Plus, Governor Phil Murphy’s Press Release announcing Trenton MOVES. All substance!! I also presented relevant testimony to NJ’s Assembly Transportation Committee Thursday morning. An ALK trifecta this week😁. The “welcoming environment” now exists in New Jersey. We are no longer tied for last with Mississippi as was reported at last week’s Florida AV Conference. We’re looking like “first in the world” focused on substantive deployment to real customers. We’ve built the “Field of Dreams” and awaiting the technology “to come”. We only need one! Or we’ll assemble volunteers (and not hostages as Mike Tomlin would put it) and build a winning team ourselves.😎 Alain
Orf 467F21 Symposium: Evolutionary Deployment of a State-wide aTaxis system starting from MyVillage
J. Woll’22, A. Lau’23, M. Wasserman’22, C. Larson’22, J. Sun’23, Dec. 10, “Slides of: Making It Happen”: Hawaii - California - Washington - Florida - Connecticut” Read more Hmmmm…Video of Presentation, Slides, Report Format. I couldn’t be more proud. Also check out Pod-Cast Episode 246, Zoom-Cast Episode 246 w/Jack Woll’22, Jason Sun’23, and Connor Larson’22😁 Alain
Trenton MOVES: Community Engagement Update
J. He, Dec. 15, “Vignettes from Community Engagement focus groups”. Read more Hmmmm… Why Trenton! Alain
5th Annual SmartDrivingCars Summit: Deployment of Safe, Equitable Affordable, Sustainable, High Quality Mobility throughout New Jersey
Date Change: Thursday evening, May 5, through Saturday May 7, 2022. Live in Trenton, New Jersey.
“Everything” was going well wrt the 5th Summit Nov 18->20; however…
Time is very short, we must focus on the election and the realities of where we remain with Covid really put cold water on some aspects of our vision for November.
Consequently. I’ve become convinced that it is very much better, that we take our time and reschedule for the first week on May 2022 rather than rush for what isn’t as good as could be.
By May we will have received responses to our Trenton MOVES RfEI for “Equitable … Mobility in Trenton”. We will thus have a better idea on “Who”, from the “What & How” communities, “Want & Can” Deploy “Safe, Equitable … Mobility” starting in Trenton with real expectations of scaling throughout New Jersey.
In May the 5th Summit can better achieve its fundamental purpose by allowing all of us in New Jersey to better learn from others around the world the “Whats & Hows” and have the possible “Whos” get a better appreciation of the “Equitable … Mobility” desires of Trentonians and other New Jersians.
Rescheduling the Summit to be between the RfI and the RfP steps of our Public-Private-Partnership (PPP) Deployment Process, will better enable our Community Engagement initiative to shape our ultimate deployment. We’ll thus deliver even better mobility equitably and best improve quality-of-life in Trenton and throughout New Jersey.
Please pencil into your calendar the new dates of May 5 (Thursday evening) though May 7 (Trenton Mobility Festival Saturday). 😎 Please let me know if these dates work for you.
Sorry about the delay, but many will be relieved by this change. Plus, early May is really nice in NJ.😁 Alain
This 5th Summit is inspired by the many levels of public-sector, community and neighborhood welcoming and support that now exists in New Jersey for the deployment of safe, equitable, affordable, sustainable, high-quality mobility. This is now made possible by automated driving technology that is especially targeted to serve those who, for whatever reason, don’t have access to their own personal car.
The Princeton SDC Summits were initiated in 2017 to provide a venue for the open discussion of how technology, in particular automation, can be shaped to improve mobility of people and goods between and within cities. Early on, we realized that this form of mobility could easily provide yet another alternative to those who are fortunate enough to enjoy one or many high quality mobility options.
But, more importantly, it became obvious that substantial improvement in quality-of-life and equitable mobility can readily be made available to the un-served and under-served. Those who cannot drive themselves, cannot afford the transport alternatives that exist for them, or who live in areas where, for either economic or other reasons, neither public nor private desirable forms of transport are offered. Furthermore, such initial Operational Design Domains (OODs) can be readily expanded and replicated to allow the vast investments continuing to be made in this technology to actually yield their envisioned societal and financial benefits.
The recently completed 4th Summit set the groundwork for these initial deployments to benefit under-served communities. Communities with many households having access to one or fewer cars and with challenged transit alternatives. We concluded the 4th Summit by envisioning a deployment throughout Trenton, NJ, a community where 70% of the households have access to one or fewer cars.
We believe that Trenton is a perfect ODD to begin to deliver Safe, Equitable, Affordable, Sustainable, High-quality Mobility, in addition to being environmentally responsible, safe and comfortable.
The opportunity to expand throughout Mercer County and replicate this deployment scenario throughout the State exists. This deployment will serve as a blueprint for the future for many other “Trentons” of this world.
The groundwork set by the 4th Summit and the NJ Autonomous Vehicle Task Force has enabled us to create a “most welcoming environment” in New Jersey for creating a Public-Private Partnership to deliver this enhanced mobility to the residents of Trenton and all New Jersians. The 5th Summit will focus directly on deployment in Trenton and will take place in Trenton. We also envision its expansion throughout Mercer County and its replication in and around New Jersey’s other major cities.
The Technical portion of the summit will be in the morning, through lunch, of Friday, May 6 and Saturday, May 7.
Sessions will be free of charge but will require advance registration, as seating will be limited.
The Societal portion focused on engaging the customers of this form of mobility, featuring descriptions, discussions, interactions, exhibits and technology demonstrations, will be free and open to the public, with preference given to Trenton residents on Friday and residents of Mercer County and the rest of New Jersey on Saturday. Link to Sponsorship Opportunities Link to Draft Program Link to Registration
4th Annual Princeton SmartDrivingCar Summit It is over!!! Now time to actually do something in the Trentons of this world.
Making Driverless Happen: The Road Forward (Updated)
K. Pyle, April 18, “It’s time to hit the start button,” is Fred Fishkin’s succinct way of summarizing the next steps in the Smart Driving Car journey. Fiskin, along with the LA Times’ Russ Mitchell co-produced the final session of the 2021 Smart Driving Car Summit, Making It Happen: Part 2. This 16th and final session in this multi-month online conference not only provided a summary of the thought-provoking speakers, but also provided food for thought on a way forward to bring mobility to “the Trentons of the World.”
Setting the stage for this final session, Michael Sena provided highlights of the Smart Driving Car journey that started in late December 2020. Safety, high-quality, and affordable mobility, particularly for those who do not have many options, was a common theme to the 2021 Smart Driving Car Summit. As Princeton Professor Kornhauser, the conference organizer put it,…..” Read more Hmmmm…. We had another excellent Session. Thank you for the summary, Ken! Alain
Ken Pyle’s Session Summaries of 4th Princeton SmartDrivingCar Summit:
14th Session What Will Power Safely-driven Cars
13th Session Improving the Moving of Goods
12th Session 3/18/21 Human-centered Design of Safe and Affordable Driverless Mobility
11th Session 3/11/21 Incentivizing Through Regulation
10th Session 3/04/21 Incentivizing Through Insurance
9th Session 2/25/21 Can Level 3 be Delivered?
8th Session 2/18/21 Who Will Build, Sell and Maintain Driverless Cars?
Michael Sena’s Slides, Glenn Mercer Slides
7th Session 2/11/21 Finally Doing It
6th Session 2/ 4/21 Safe Enough in the Operational Design Domain
5th Session 1/28/21 At the Tipping Point
4th Session 1/21/21 Why Customers are Buying Them
3rd Session 1/14/21 The SmartDrivingCars We Can Buy Today
2nd Session 1/ 7/21 A Look into the Future 1st Session: 12/17/20 Setting the Stage Kornhauser & He, April 2021 “Making it Happen: A Proposal for Providing Affordable, High-quality, On-demand Mobility for All in the “Trentons” of this World”
Orf467F20_FinalReport “Analyzing Ride-Share Potential and Empty Repositioning Requirements of a Nationwide aTaxi System” Kornhauser & He, March 2021 “AV 101 + Trenton Affordable HQ Mobility Initiative”
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Re-see: Pop Up Metro USA Intro 09 2020
H. Poser’77, Sept 13, 2020. “Creating Value for Light Density Urban Rail Lines”. See slides, See video Hmmmm… Simply Brilliant. Alain
Calendar of Upcoming Events
5th Annual Princeton SmartDrivingCar Summit
Thursday (evening), May 5, Welcome Reception (Registration required)
Friday, May 6, Equitable Mobility Innovation Forum (Registration required)
Saturday, May 7, Equitable Mobility Festival (Open to All)
Trenton, NJ
Live in Person
On the More Technical Side http://orfe.princeton.edu/~alaink/SmartDrivingCars/Papers/
K. Lockean’s AV Research Group at U of Texas
These editions are sponsored by the SmartETFs Smart Transportation and Technology ETF, symbol MOTO. For more information head to www.motoetf.com
https://www.cartsmobility.com/ provides technical support
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 249, Zoom-Cast Episode 2 Will GM ever sell customers Driverless Cadillacs to consumers?
F. Fishkin, Jan. 8, “At CES, GM CEO Mary Barra said the company will be selling autonomous vehicles to the public by the middle of this decade. Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin weigh in on that plus an AV report from McKinsey and Company, Volvo, Tesla and more.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 248, Zoom-Cast Episode 2 w/Michael Sena, Editor, The Dispatcher
F. Fishkin, Dec. 29, “With a new book in the works to explain the why behind the push for autonomous, affordable mobility…co-authors Michael Sena and Alain Kornhauser outline where we’ve been and where we are going. And then there’s the tussle over Tesla and Elon Musk. Plus Waymo and more. Tune in to episode 248 of Smart Driving Cars. Or listen.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 247, Zoom-Cast Episode 2 Self-Driving & Driverless are like Oil & Vinegar… largely Orthogonal.
F. Fishkin, Dec. 23, “In episode 247 of Smart Driving Cars: a shift at GM’s Cruise as the the CEO is fired? Tesla faces editorial fire. While Waymo posts about bringing the next generation Waymo Driver to trucking. Plus more on the push for safe, equitable, affordable, high-quality mobility in New Jersey. Join Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 246, Zoom-Cast Episode 2 w/Jack Woll’22, Jason Sun’23, and Connor Larson’22
F. Fishkin, Dec. 16, “Affordable autonomous mobility is what the State of New Jersey is aiming to bring to Trenton and beyond. But the need is everywhere. Princeton Students Jack Woll, Jason Sun, and Connor Larson have been doing some research and join Alain Kornhauser and Fred Fishkin to explore. Plus…Pony AI, Aurora, Tesla and more.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 244, Zoom-Cast Episode 2 w/Michael Sena… Germany’s Automotive Industry in Transition…
F. Fishkin, Dec. 2, “Germany’s Automotive Industry in Transition… Consultant and The Dispatcher publisher Michael Sena shares his insights on the rapid shifts taking in place in Germany and globally and what they will mean for mobility and transportation. Join us for episode 244 of Smart Driving Cars with Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 243, Zoom-Cast Episode 2 Progress with Driverless
F. Fishkin, Nov. 26, “AutoX advances with fully driverless RoboTaxis in China, Gatik and Walmart are doing full driverless deliveries in Arkansas, Tesla full self driving customers have to agree to company access to video inside and out. Join Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin for that and more on Episode 243 of Smart Driving Cars.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 242, Zoom-Cast Episode 2 w/Gabe Hinton & Dick Mudge
F. Fishkin, Nov. 16, “LexisNexis Risk Solutions has determined that advanced driver assistance systems are helping insurers. Should they lower premiums? Senior Scientist and researcher Gabe Hinton joins Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser, co-host Fred Fishkin and Dick Mudge from Compass Transportation and Technology for a look at the issues.
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 241, Zoom-Cast Episode 2 w/Danny Shapiro, nVIDIA
F. Fishkin, Nov. 11, “NVIDIA’s GTC GPU Technology Conference was filled with innovations that can change lives…and save lives. The company’s CEO declared someday everything that moves will be autonomous…either fully or mostly. NVIDIA Automotive VP Danny Shapiro joins Alain Kornhauser and Fred Fishkin for the latest Smart Driving Cars.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 240, Zoom-Cast Episode 2 AEB&FSD
F. Fishkin, Nov. 6, “Tesla, full self driving and the need for a fix. Cruise goes driverless in San Francisco, Waymo Driver heads to NYC while Aurora debuts on Wall Street. That and more in episode 240 of Smart Driving Cars with Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 239, Zoom-Cast Episode 239 w/Michael Sena, Editor of The Dispatcher
F. Fishkin, Oct 28, “Will there be an uprising if a crush of electric vehicles results in overwhelmed power grids? The Dispatcher publisher Michael Sena joins Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser & co-host Fred Fishkin to dive into the issues. Plus the latest on Tesla, the Hertz and Uber deals and more.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 238, Zoom-Cast Episode 238 w/Chunk Mui, Futurist
F. Fishkin, Oct 18, “With his new book “A Brief History of a Perfect Future..Inventing the World We Can Proudly Leave Our Kids by 2050”, author and futurist Chunka Mui informs us how rapidly advancing technology can solve many problems including mobility and transportation. The questions? And a surprise offer from Chunka (keep watching) …in Episode 238 of Smart Driving Cars with Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser & co-host Fred Fishkin. Or you can listen to episode 238 of Smart Driving Cars.
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 237, Zoom-Cast Episode 237 Aurora aTaxi & aTrucking
F. Fishkin, Oct 18, “Aurora is planning subscription services for autonomous trucking & ride hailing. Passenger buttons to stop and start are part of Motional’s planned self driving taxi experience. And Tesla’s Texas insurance rates to be based on real time driving behavior. Plus more in Episode 237 of Smart Driving Cars with Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser & co-host Fred Fishkin.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 236, Zoom-Cast Episode 236 w/Russ Mitchell, LA Times Staff Writer
F. Fishkin, Sept. 30, “The Tesla automatic braking mystery. Los Angeles Times reporter Russ Mitchell joins Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin to explore the questions surrounding automatic emergency braking in Teslas and other cars. The systems have to work before there can be autonomous mobility. Plus GM unveils Ultra Cruise, the 5th annual Princeton Smart Driving Car Summit moves to May and actor William Shatner prepares for liftoff.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 235, Zoom-Cast Episode 235 w/Michael Sena, Editor, The Dispatcher
F. Fishkin, Sept. 30, “So what is a car company? Appearances can be deceiving. Join The Dispatcher publisher & consultant Michael Sena on Episode 235 of Smart Driving Cars with Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser & co-host Fred Fishkin. Plus much more on the upcoming summit and mobility for all…”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 234, Zoom-Cast Episode 234 1st Preview of 5th Princeton SmartDrivingCar Summit
F. Fishkin, Sept. 26, “Tesla reportedly has built 300 thousand cars in Shanghai so far this year despite the chip shortage. FedEx & Aurora partner for autonomous trucking in Texas. And dramatic developments in advance of the upcoming 5th annual Princeton Smart Driving Car Summit. Join Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin. Tune in to Smart Driving Cars… and subscribe..”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 233, Zoom-Cast Episode 233 w Prof. Adriano Alessandrini at the U. of Florence
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F. Fishkin, Sept. 18 “What will it take to deliver autonomous mobility for all? For one thing, improved road systems, says Professor Adriano Alessandrini at the University of Florence. The author of The Role of Infrastructure for a Safe Transition to Automated Driving joins Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser & co-host Fred Fishkin for a spirited discussion on that, plus Waymo and new details on bringing new mobility to New Jersey and the upcoming Princeton Smart Driving Car SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 232, Zoom-Cast Episode 232 w Steven Shladover
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F. Fishkin, Sept. 4 “Cameras alone aren’t enough to get Tesla or anyone else to driverless mobility. So says UC Berkeley’s Steven Shladover, a leading autonomous vehicle research engineer. He joins Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin for that plus the need for more regulation from Washington, Waymo, Cruise, Toyota, Motional and more. Watch or listen to Smart Driving Cars Episode 232 and subscribe!”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 231, Zoom-Cast Episode 231 w Michael Sena, Creator of The Dispatcher
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F. Fishkin, Aug 27, “What’s wrong with the concept of building electric vehicles on a skateboard type platform? Consultant and The Dispatcher publisher Michael Sena joins Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin for that…plus Tesla, Waymo and more. And the next Princeton Smart Driving Cars Summit is on the way. Watch or listen…and subscribe! Or listen.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 230, Zoom-Cast Episode 230 w/Tim Higgins, author: POWER PLAY: Tesla, Elon Musk and the Bet of the Century
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F. Fishkin, Aug 21, “Teslas, Humanoids and Elevators! What Elon Musk and Tesla delivered at AI Day 2021 was insight into the company’s remarkable technology and that may boost recruiting efforts. So says Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser who is joined by co-host Fred Fishkin and guest Tim Higgins of the Wall Street Journal, author of POWER PLAY… Tesla, Elon Musk and the Bet of the Century. AI Day, the NHTSA investigation and Elon Musk hops on the elevator on Episode 230 of Smart Driving Cars!
Or you can listen to Episode 230 of Smart Driving Cars on Tesla’s AI Day and more with guest Tim Higgins of the Wall Street Journal ..author of POWER PLAY… Tesla, Elon Musk and the Bet of the Century.
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 229, Zoom-Cast Episode 229 w/Russ Mitchell, Los Angeles Times
F. Fishkin, Aug 18, “With the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration having opened an investigation into Tesla autopilot crashes involving emergency vehicles…Los Angeles Times reporter Russ Mitchell joins Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin for a look at the issues facing Tesla and other vehicle makers.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 228, Zoom-Cast Episode 228
Planes, Trains & Automobiles
F. Fishkin, Aug 13, “Planes, trains and automobiles. From battery powered electric light rail to the confusion over the difference between driver assistance and self driving to Amazon’s new 1.5 billion dollar U.S. air cargo hub…the focus is on the latest in mobility. Join Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin for episode 228 of Smart Driving Cars.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 226, Zoom-Cast Episode 226 w/Tim Higgins, author: POWER PLAY: Tesla, Elon Musk and the Bet of the Century
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F. Fishkin, July 22, “The Wall Street Journal’s Tim Higgins has a new book arriving August 3rd titled POWER PLAY: Tesla, Elon Musk and the Bet of the Century. You can bet it’s a lively discussion with Tim on the latest Smart Driving Cars with Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser & co-host Fred Fishkin. Or listen.. https://soundcloud.com/smartdrivingcar/smart-driving-cars-226-with-tim-higgins-author-of-power-play.
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 225, Zoom-Cast Episode 225 w/Kevin Biesty, Deputy Director for Policy @ Arizona DoT
F. Fishkin, July 22, “Chandler, Arizona is the one place where paying customers can take advantage of driverless robo-taxis (from Waymo) to get where they are going. How did that happen? What does the future hold? Kevin Biesty, Arizona’s Deputy Director for Policy at the Department of Transportation, joins Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser & co-host Fred Fishkin for an in depth discussion. Plus.. Ford, Argo, Lyft, Tesla, Mercedes & more.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 224, Zoom-Cast Episode 224 w/Selika Josiah Talbot, Principal, Autonomous Vehicle Consulting
F. Fishkin, July 19, “Does there need to be a White House appointed autonomous and electric vehicle czar to open up new mobility possibilities for all? That’s the view of Selika Josiah Talbott..a government veteran who now heads Autonomous Vehicle Consulting and lectures at American University. She joins Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser & co-host Fred Fishkin for a deeper look at how the technology can be deployed to improve lives.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 223, Zoom-Cast Episode 223 w/Richard Mudge, Compass Transp. & Baruch Feigenbaum, Reason Foundation
F. Fishkin, July 15, “Can Tesla (and others) make automatic emergency braking work? Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser continues his push and is joined by the Reason Foundation’s Baruch Feigenbaum and Compass Transportation & Technology President Dick Mudge along with co-host Fred Fishkin to explore this week’s Transportation Research Board sessions.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 222, Zoom-Cast Episode 222
F. Fishkin, July 11, “Is it time for autopilot to not break the law? Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser says yes. And if technology can save lives, prevent injuries and crashes shouldn’t it? Plus Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos, Waymo, VW and more on Episode 222 of Smart Driving Cars with co-host Fred Fishkin.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 221, Zoom-Cast Episode 221 w/Mark Rosekind, Chief Safety Innovation Officer, Zoox
F. Fishkin, July 1, “With Zoox the Amazon owned autonomous mobility company out with a comprehensive safety report.. Chief Safety Innovation Officer Dr. Mark Rosekind joins Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin. What is so different about the Zoox approach to building a vehicle and safety? What is the company’s vision for future mobility and transportation. Dr. Rosekind fills us in on those issues and more.”
SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 220, Zoom-Cast Episode 220 w/John Thornhill, Innovation Editor, Financial Times
F. Fishkin, July 1, “Sociology not technology will decide the electric car race. That’s a Financial Times headline from a piece written by Innovation Editor John Thornhill…who joins Princeton’s Alain Kornhauser and co-host Fred Fishkin for a lively discussion on that…plus Tesla…autonomous mobility and more. John is also the founder of Sifted.eu.
Link to previous SDC PodCasts & ZoomCasts
Recent Highlights of:
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January 15, 2022
Local Motors, the startup behind the Olli autonomous shuttle, has shut down
R. Bellan, Jan. 13, “Local Motors, the company that crowdsourced and built the Olli autonomous shuttle as well as the Rally Fighter, will be shutting down operations by Friday, according to several posts from various employees on LinkedIn. The company has yet to release an official statement, but many employees are already openly looking for new work….
The shutdown comes only a few months after Vikrant Aggarwal, formerly president and chief operating officer, took over as CEO, as the company shared plans to scale production globally. Former CEO Jay Rogers transitioned to an advisory role on the company’s board.”… Read more Hmmmm… So sad. What a shame. While it is exceedingly difficult to build a driver technology stack that actually works, it is proving non-trivial to build vehicles, as Glenn & Michael reminded us during the 4th SDC Summit. Alain
January 08, 2022 The road to affordable autonomous mobility K. Heineke, Jan 2022, “Robo-taxis promise affordable mobility. But with widely varying service costs across use cases and geography, providers must address operational and service issues to realize that promise…. “ Read more Hmmmm… You are welcome to read more; however, this report contains little more than well know facts of life as is reflected by the report’s first sentence.
Every mode of transport from moving sidewalks to supersonic transports have …“widely varying service costs across use cases and geography”… McKinsey, please tell us something new.
What is more disconcerting is the “cost” in that phrase is the “cost” of delivering the service, yet their first Exhibit presents “End customer cost”, usually termed “Price of service”, of the various alternatives in the use cases and geographies that they’ve evolved to serve.
“Public Transit” enjoys substantial public subsidies and offer very limited mobility services in just a few geographies in order to be priced as is indicated. In order for it to offer mobility comparable to that offered by ride-sharing, taxi or the personal automobile, its costs to deliver that service would be astronomical in all but a very few geographies. That’s why it ends up serving roughly 2% of daily person trips in the US with most of its ridership being those who can’t afford the price of the any of the alternatives.
Modes such as Ride sharing also enjoy subsidies provided by investors and gig workers willing to work for less than a living wage to deliver a service at a price that is also substantially lower that the cost to deliver that service should it be delivered by a financially stable entity that paid its drivers a living wage.
Consequently, the modes listed each have their own sweet spot of “use cases and geography” yet this report is silent as to how these modes and autonomous Taxis would compare in each of the various geography-use case pair. Private cars don’t cost well in trying to serve the major mobility needs of folks that live in Manhattan, yet Public transit does and vice versa in Princeton. Outside of Manhattan and a very few other places in the US, public transit serves only those that can’t drive a car and serves then very poorly, if at all. For most geographies and use cases the private car is king.
What is most astonishing is that this report doesn’t seem to recognize that the only real economic reason for autonomous Taxis is its potential to forgo the cost of a human driver while having the opportunity to deliver a level of service that is almost equivalent to a personal car, and essentially, if not better, than taxi, and ride-hailing. Also important is that in its infancy, it has minimal infrastructure needs. The infrastructure that makes conventional cars safer and better such as good paint and smooth surfaces are all it needs. Thus it can simply use the existing infrastructure. That was the obvious revelation of the DARPA Challenges. Prior to 2005, Automated Highway Systems, not only need an automated cars but also a dedicated roadway on which to operate. Systems such as the Morgantown PRT system that has such a dedicated roadway has operated safely and effectively for almost 50 years. Unfortunately, its “geography” never got bigger, never scaled. Why?… because of its infrastructure cost.
A fundamental beauty of autonomous Taxis is that their infrastructure costs are essentially zero. I’d argue that a major reason why Tesla and EVs have been able to get to where they are is because they also haven’t been burdened by infrastructure cost in their formative years. They use the same roads as ICEs and they don’t even pay a gas tax to help maintain those roads. Moreover, Elon was ingenious enough to pick up the tab for the infrastructure cost associated with rapidly charging Teslas. Brilliant! and one major reason why Tesla continues to knock it out of the park (see below). Yet this McKinsey report is silent about any of these fundamentals.
So in the end, McKinsey, for all of its supposedly high quality insights, contributes little more than click-bait and what everyone already knows with this report. Very disappointing. Alain
December 30, 2021 TuSimple completes its first driverless autonomous truck run on public roads What the investment community and potential customers see… R. Bellan, Dec. 29, “Autonomous trucking startup TuSimple has completed its first autonomous truck run on open public roads without a human in the vehicle, according to the company…”
After reality has passed through the smoke & mirrors, one realizes…: “…As a safety precaution, unmarked police vehicles followed at about a mile behind the truck in the event the truck came to an emergency stop. In addition, TuSimple implemented a survey vehicle to look for anomalies operating five miles ahead, as well as an oversight vehicle a half-mile behind that could put the autonomous truck in a minimal risk condition. …” Read more Hmmmm… What TuSimple has demonstrated is totally unaffordable, unprofitable, unscalable, irresponsible, … What do they think that are they selling???
This demonstration replaced a human attendant/driver for unmarked police vehicles (plural) each with a police person who likely earns, thus costs, substantially more than a professional attendant/driver. The plural implies the cost is more than 2x to cover the police. But there is more… a (supposedly human driven) survey vehicle and an oversight vehicle was also involved in the entourage. The labor charge alone for this demo is more than 4x that of a professionally driven goods-movement service. Plus the accrued cost of all the automated gizmos on the truck, plus the environmental costs of having 4 additional vehicles accompanying this load. Wow!
TuSimple must not have been demonstrating what they are trying to sell.
The purpose of the demonstration couldn’t have been to demonstrate the RoI of TuSimple’s technology to a potential Trucking company customer. It’s not easy to make money as a trucking company. It’s all about service and the cost to deliver that level of service. If I’m ALK Trucking, I know very well what level of service I can deliver and what the driver is going to cost me to deliver that level of service. I have three options available to me. I can use automated technology to help the driver drive, or remove the driver, or walk away from automated technology and stick to what I know works well. There are substantial advantages in quality of life, driver retention and insurance savings associated with Automated Driver Assistance capabilities are available now, but that’s not what TuSimple is selling. TuSimple is selling the ability to remove a driver. To ALK Trucking, the fundamental value of what TuSimple is selling is elimination of the driver’s cost in the delivery of a comparable level of service. While this demonstration did eliminate the driver’s cost and delivered a comparable level of service, it also incurred a greater than 4x the driver’s cost in ancillary services to deliver that comparable service. Consequently, the demonstration completely backfired. ALK Trucking will necessarily say… please come back when you can demonstrate this without the ancillary costs, and please stop wasting my time. I have a business to run and customers to serve.
If the purpose of the demonstration was to convince the “SoftBanks” of this world that their investment is being well invested, I can’t imagine that went any better. You mean you could have done the demonstration using less that 25% of the labor cost if only you would have use an on-board attendant and you announced that “the whole 100% of the trip was done without a single disengagement”. And, by the way, this was the Nth time, in the “… 1,800 runs to the tune of 150,000 miles on this stretch of highway …” that you’ve done the run without any disengagements, where N is large. And, N is so large, that TuSimple is now willing to accept all liability associated with any malfunction of its automated driver that is incurred in the normal delivery of transport services in this corridor. That now means that TuSimple is indeed selling an automated driver that doesn’t need an attendant as a backup. Then ALK Trucking company, given what TuSimple wants to charge for this automated driver, can readily do the arithmetic to make a buy or walk decision. And, the “SoftBank investor”, I can readily assess TuSimple’s pricing model, and determine which trucking companies are likely to buy or walk, thus enabling the investors to buy or sell.
Unfortunately, this demonstration clearly tells ALK Trucking to walk and “SoftBank” to sell.
Finally, by removing the attendant from inside the cab, TuSimple unnecessarily put the public at increased risk, and are thus, acted irresponsibly. There should be NO testing on public roads without a professional attendant/driver behind the wheel ready and able to safely disengage the automated driver! This is true for those testing the movement of people and similarly for those testing the moving of goods. Only when there is societal/economic net-benefit associated with the driverless/attendantless operation should it take place on public roadways.
Public roadways are not the place for smoke & mirror stunts or carnival acts. Alain
January 2022
Issue: Taking action when governments cannot or are not
M. Sena, Dec. 28, “In some places in the world, accessibility from anywhere to anywhere is taken for granted. Public transit opportunities are ubiquitous, and if public transit is not sufficient, a ride in a car or a van is subsidized or totally paid for. That is not the case in the U.S. and in many other countries or regions in countries where a car is the necessary ticket to taking advantage of those opportunities that are on offer. In the first article in this month’s issue, I attempt to provide the background on why that has happened. Hint: It is not because the car was invented.
I was inspired to write the second article by the protesters at the COP26 gathering in Glasgow this past November. Maybe at one time in our lives we sat in the back seat and complained “Aren’t we there yet?”, but then we got to be the drivers and appreciated that you don’t get there by magic. The COP26 protesters want a utopia and they want it now. Utopian and democratic concepts don’t mix well.
Musings is a reflection on the failure of governments to enforce the laws they have made during the past century to ensure that people inside and outside of motorized transport vehicles can coexist. The kids of the kids who thought it was perfectly acceptable to disobey laws we thought were unfair are now in charge of making sure those laws are enforced—and they are not doing their jobs. The result is chaos on the roads.
Below you can find the summary of each of the articles. You can read the entire issue in the PDF attached or online by clicking here.
Enjoy your January issue of The Dispatcher. All comments are welcome, whether you want to take exception to something I have written or just want to let me know that you got something out of reading it. I wish you all the best for the New Year.” Read more Hmmmm… Another excellent Dispatcher and I am humbled by Michael’s contributions to “Making Trenton Happen”. Please also listen or watch this week’s PodCast/ZoomCast featuring Michael and this edition of the Dispatcher. Alain December 24, 2021
GM Fires Cruise CEO Over The Robotaxi Vs Personal Car Battle Writ Large B. Templeton, Dec. 20, “One of the key debates over the future of self-driving cars is how much of it will be robotaxis — Uber UBER +2.5%-style services which sell rides rather than cars, and how much will be sales of personal self-driving cars to private owners. This week this battle was prominent in the firing of Cruise CEO Dan Ammann by Mary Barra, CEO of GM over conflicts on this question. Amman saw a “robotaxi first” strategy with an IPO to capitalize on strong market interest in that business. Barra wanted Cruise to put more focus on technologies that could be used in GM’s traditional product lines.” Read more Hmmmm… I guess that Brad has the inside information on Dan’s firing. Nobody ever tells me anything that isn’t public, so I can’t really comment; however…
My perspective has been since near “the beginning” that automated driving technologies have two largely orthogonal (very different) markets:
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as Comfort & Convenience features for consumer-owned “conventional” automobiles. A long time ago I chose to call cars with these features “Self-driving Cars”, and
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Cost-reducing and Quality-of-Service improving features to fleet operators focused on providing mobility (as a service) to people (some call this “transit”) and/or things (for example package delivery). I’ve called these Driverless cars or aTaxis (autonomous Taxis or automated Taxis, your call.)
These are fundamentally different markets.
It can be envisioned that the Self-driving variety is a natural market for traditional OEMs, I’ve flippantly called this technology today’s Chrome & Fins that will propel customers into showrooms (or online to buy, buy, buy). I’ll argue that these Comfort & Convenience features, named “autoPilot” and “FSD”, may well have been one of, if not the, fundamental brilliance(s) that fueled Elon’s success with Tesla.
Even with all the regulatory challenges that these Comfort & Convenience features have piled on Elon, he hasn’t backed off his use of these “Chrome & Fins” which are largely Bling Substance.
GM is even aggressively promoting its SuperCruise “Chrome & Fins” and Daimler is touting its “Level 3 drivePilot” “Chrome & Fins”.
Consequently, it would not be surprising for a leader founded on traditional OEM business models to aggressively pursue the development of Chrome & Fins, especially when, once sold to the customer, the future liability exposure to the OEM for any mis-use or tarnishing of the Chrome & Fins is expected to be minimal.
Unfortunately, the technology associated with Driverless is enormously different because it is Not for show, it has to be for go from the very beginning. It only delivers its promised value… more affordable, higher-quality mobility… if it actually works. And works, not just in the showroom, but during its entire lifespan. And, if it doesn’t then the producer of the technology as well as the operator of the technology, will bear some, if not most/all of the liability risk.
Thus, Driverless is a substantially different challenge than Self-driving and it is not at all surprising that an individual focused on doing driverless, would have little patience with an individual focused on doing Self-driving.
Self-driving doesn’t really have to work so you can be sloppy and still “make a buck”.
Sloppy with Driverless and you’re out of business… ask Uber .. $120B v $60B “sells” to Aurora
Moreover, I’ve written for a very long time that there is no feasible market (neither profitable or non-profitable) for the sale of driverless cars to individual consumers. First, who would buy a car that one can’t drive, but more importantly, no OEM is going to backstop the liability associated with a car traveling all by itself without a responsible person in the car. Regulators will never allow it, OEMs will never embrace the responsibility (Elon hasn’t even come close, read the fine print). End of story.
Finally, as many others have written, it is not at all obvious that Driverless evolves from Self-driving. Since self-driving fundamentally includes having the driver in the loop as the responsible entity, Self-driving is able, from the get-go, to be “sloppy” in its functionality.
Driverless can’t afford to be “sloppy” or cut corners from the very beginning. That mindset must endure throughout. Lack of that mindset may have gotten Uber in trouble in the first place and may be ingrained in Pony.ai, EasyMile and others.
It simply may not be all that easy or appropriate to try to clean up technology that has relied on a human driver as a back up to build one that from the beginning must recognize that crutch is not available nowhere, no how. Alain
December 17, 2021
Pony.ai’s permit to test driverless vehicles in California is suspended after crash A. Hawkins, Dec. 14, “Pony.ai, an autonomous vehicle startup based in Silicon Valley and Guangzhou, China, is temporarily unable to test driverless vehicles in California after a vehicle crash led the state’s Department of Motor Vehicles to suspend the company’s testing permit.
Pony.ai was one of the few companies approved to test fully autonomous vehicles without safety drivers behind the steering wheel on public roads in California….
The permit was suspended after the company reported a crash to the DMV…. “ Read more Hmmmm… Crash… not good!
Crash report “Driver’s Name” is blank Hummmm … ???
Crash report makes no mention of occupants or attendants. Hummmm … Rest assured that “NJ Crash reports of AVs” will include names of occupants, drivers and/or attendants. (One of the benefits of being “tied for last with Mississippi” for so long).
Also, rest assured, that NJ will NOT permit the testing of AVs without an alert driver/attendant capable of “disengaging” the AV in an attempt to avert or mitigate a crash.
Finally.. what was Pony.ai thinking???? The objective/purpose of testing is to encounter situations where the car will crash if the driver/attendant fails to “disengage”. Encountering such situations might allow the AV system to be improved/fixed/corrected so when that situation is encountered in the future, the AV system will not crash and not need anyone to disengage it. Then you can get rid of the driver/attendant.
Testing is not over until the probability that a situation requiring disengagement by a driver/attendant is sufficiently rare such that the liability associated with such rare occurrences is substantially smaller than the value captured by the increased mobility afforded by not having to pay the cost of an attendant/driver… period!!!!!
Certainly not an advanced concept. Every parent & child knows that you continue to run behind the bike and you don’t take off the training wheels until the child is good enough at riding the bike such that the chances of falling and scraping a knee or worse is so remote that you let them enjoy the fruits derived from the newly acquired mobility. No different for driverless vehicles or whatever you wish to call them.
So what was Pony.ai thinking, if indeed, they were testing without an attendant or driver???? What value were they acquiring…
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Saving an infinitesimal percentage of their cost of testing? Are they that strapped for $$$?
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Public relations creds? What was the net on that Silicon Valley gambit?
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Demonstration of their manliness? Very last century!, or
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Just total irresponsibility and stupidity. C’mon Man!!!
Also, what was CA DMV thinking when they created a license to test without a driver or attendant? Some of us believe that the #1 value of being able to operate a vehicle without a driver/attendant is the substantial percentage reduction in the cost to deliver high-quality mobility to everyone, especially those who, for whatever reason, can’t afford to provide mobility for themselves (can’t… drive a car, ride a bike, ride a scooter, walk). That cost reduction provides society with the opportunity to deliver high-quality affordable, and thus equitable, mobility to everyone. But that is deployment/operations, NOT testing.
It is fundamentally OK/necessary that a license to deploy/deliver mobility to people and/or goods, without a driver/attendant be available. That is the goal. To test without a driver/attendant is irresponsible and stupid. Alain December 11, 2021
Orf 467F21 Symposium: Evolutionary Deployment of a State-wide aTaxis system starting from MyVillage J. Woll’22, A. Lau’23, M. Wasserman’22, C. Larson’22, J. Sun’23, Dec. 10, “Slides of: Making It Happen”: Hawaii - California - Washington - Florida - Connecticut” Read more Hmmmm…Video of Presentation, Slides, Report Format. I couldn’t be more proud. 😁 Alain December 6, 2021
Press release, Dec. 6, “Governor Phil Murphy and New Jersey Department of Transportation (NJDOT) Commissioner Diane Gutierrez-Scaccetti today announced an Request for Expressions of Interest (RFEI) for the Trenton Mobility & Opportunity: Vehicles Equity System (MOVES) Project. Trenton MOVES will act to provide safe, equitable, affordable, and sustainable high-quality mobility through the deployment of 100 Autonomous Vehicles (AVs) throughout the state capital. This on-demand automated transit system will serve 90,000 residents of Trenton.
“Since taking office, we have worked relentlessly towards making New Jersey the innovation center of America,” said Governor Murphy. “There is perhaps no initiative that embodies this goal more than the Trenton MOVES project, which will attract tech talent from around the country and the world with the mission of creating an autonomous vehicle-based transit system in our Capitol that will provide a new, affordable transportation solution for underserved areas of Trenton. This is an exciting project with immense potential, and I look forward to the day that the first vehicle hits the road.”
“Mobility is about equity and access to opportunity,” said New Jersey Department of Transportation Commissioner Diane Gutierrez-Scaccetti. “Trenton MOVES represents an opportunity to utilize innovation to sustainably improve the quality of life of the mobility-constrained in many of our cities. By starting in Trenton, we will have the opportunity to work with a close and effective partner; ultimately our vision is that this effort will ideally scale throughout the state and the region”.
“We’re grateful to Governor Murphy and the N.J. Department of Transportation under Commissioner Diane Gutierrez-Scaccetti for investing in an innovative mobility solution that will considerably improve the lives of the average Trentonian,” said Trenton Mayor W. Reed Gusciora. “Trenton MOVES means our residents can get to work on time without transfers or connections. It means state workers can explore restaurants and businesses throughout the entire city. It means more safe and equitable transportation options for everyone ranging from students involved in school activities to seniors going to their doctor appointments.”
The Trenton MOVES (Mobility & Opportunity: Vehicles Equity System) project is being developed by the Governor’s Office, NJDOT, the City of Trenton, and Princeton University.
This will be the first large-scale urban transit system in America to be based entirely on self-driving shuttles. Each vehicle will carry four to eight passengers at a time. The AVs will be low cost to users in underserved neighborhoods. During the initial launch there will be in-vehicle attendants to demonstrate the safety and operational integrity of the service. Full deployment will occur after a detailed planning and testing phase. This new system will allow Trenton’s households (70% of which have limited access to a single automobile or no access at all) as well as traditional road users to get acclimated to the presence of AVs on the streets of the state capital.
NJDOT offers this Request for Expressions of Interest (RFEI) to help gather information from firms in the design, build-out and operation of a safe and equitable automated vehicle transportation system for Trenton. The deadline for the RFEI response is February 11, 2022. Following the solicitation of the RFEI, NJDOT may issue formal requests for Qualifications or Proposals. However, responses to the RFEI will not necessarily impact or be connected to any call for Proposals or Qualifications.
The deadline for the RFEI response is February 11, 2022.
Copy of Request for Expression of Interest” Read more This is all about deployment that will begin to enable New Jersey and the nation to finally begin to capture societal benefits from the vast investments that have been made in this technology since the DARPA Challenges. I’m so humbled to be a part of this most substantive initiative. Alain
December 4, 2021
December 2021
Issue: Germany’s Automotive Industry in Transition
M. Sena, Dec. 1, “Germany’s automotive industry is important for the country’s economy, the welfare of a large number of its citizens and for the prestige of the nation. It is also very important for Europe as a whole. VW, DAIMLER and BMW had total 2020 revenue of €476 billion and hold respectively positions 2, 3 and 8 amongst the largest companies in the EU…
Hydroelectric power has not disappeared, but it isn’t directly driving machines; it’s driving turbines to generate electricity. If you are among those who classify hydroelectric power as a renewable energy source (a club in which I am not a member), then it is interesting to note that hydropower accounts for 70% of global electricity production from renewable sources. But it definitely is not top of the list of investments recommended for high returns. Solar and wind are the darlings of investors. But imagine what would have happened if electricity had not been invented and we got stuck on steam. Hydropower would have disappeared completely. Now imagine if the internal combustion engine didn’t make it out of the lab and electric- and steam-driven engines continued to compete for investments. What happens to TESLA’s stock, which is now trading at just over a $1,000/share (it was up to $1,239 on the 4th of November!) if the U.S. decides that it will stop financing its rival’s military buildup by banning the sale of all battery electric cars using lithium-ion batteries or any other material on which its rival holds a monopoly. Or, what happens if the country that currently has the monopoly decides not to sell batteries or allow the sale of any of the raw materials that are used to make batteries?
Steam trains got the chance to pull coal cars when the price of oats that fed the horses became prohibitively high due to the wars in which Britain was engaged. Anybody who owned stock in a steam engine company did very well at that point. But if that company tried to buck the ICE trend and continue to build steam trucks, like SENTINEL and FODEN, the paper was eventually worthless…” Read more Hmmmm… Once again, excellent fundamentals here. Read, learn and enjoy! Also check out our SmartDrivingCars Pod-Cast Episode 244, Zoom-Cast Episode 2 w/Michael Sena, Editor of The Dispatcher, Alain
November 26, 2021
Gatik and Walmart Achieve Fully Driverless Deliveries in a First for Autonomous Trucking Industry Worldwide
Press release, Nov. 8, “Gatik and Walmart Inc. (NYSE: WMT) announced today that Gatik is operating daily without a safety driver behind the wheel on its delivery route for Walmart in Bentonville, Arkansas, moving customer orders between a Walmart dark store and a Neighborhood Market in its fleet of multi-temperature autonomous box trucks.
Gatik’s deployment with Walmart in the state represents the first time that an autonomous trucking company has removed the safety driver from a commercial delivery route on the middle mile anywhere in the world.
Gatik’s fully driverless operations, which began in August 2021, involve consistent, repeated delivery runs multiple times per day, seven days per week on public roads and unlock the full advantages of autonomous delivery for Walmart’s customers: increased speed and responsiveness when fulfilling e-commerce orders, increased asset utilization and enhanced safety for all road users…“…
This milestone signifies a revolutionary breakthrough for the autonomous trucking industry,” said Gautam Narang, CEO and co-founder, Gatik. “Our deployment in Bentonville is not a one-time demonstration. These are frequent, revenue-generating, daily runs that our trucks are completing safely in a range of conditions on public roads, demonstrating the commercial and technical advantages of fully driverless operations on the middle mile. We’re thrilled to enable Walmart’s customers to reap the benefits.”
In December 2020, Gatik and Walmart received the Arkansas State Highway Commission’s first ever approval to remove the safety driver from Gatik’s autonomous trucks, following the completion of 18 months’ successful operations. As part of its roadmap to operating fully driverless, Gatik undertook a comprehensive stakeholder engagement strategy, involving state and local leadership and emergency services, and will continue to hold ongoing informational workshops concerning its ground-breaking autonomous operations.
In December 2020, Gatik and Walmart received the Arkansas State Highway Commission’s first ever approval to remove the safety driver from Gatik’s autonomous trucks, following the completion of 18 months’ successful operations. As part of its roadmap to operating fully driverless, Gatik undertook a comprehensive stakeholder engagement strategy, involving state and local leadership and emergency services, and will continue to hold ongoing informational workshops concerning its ground-breaking autonomous operations…” Read more Hmmmm… If you are trying to do it for real, this is the way to do it. I appreciate the showing showing some humility as opposed to making Houdini-style Snake & Mirrors announcements focused on getting more from the “SoftBanks” of this world. Congratulations! This looks like a real “dida milestone”! Update 12/4… It is driverless but there is an attendant on-board for now. Progress but not PrimeTime. 🙁 Alain
November 20, 2021
The impact of Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS) on insurance claims (True Impact of ADAS Features on Insurance Claim Severity Revealed)
J. Kanet, Nov 9, “Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS) have improved automobile safety by minimizing the factor most frequently associated with car accidents – human error. The conventional wisdom has been that ADAS technologies should mitigate the number of insurance claims, but the impact of ADAS on claim severity has been less clear. ADAS features include expensive and complex technical components and are often installed on exposed areas of vehicles, making them susceptible to damage from a collision.
This white paper examines the multivariate effect of ADAS features on claim severity. It is a follow up to our earlier report, ADAS Analysis Creates Path for Auto Insurance Rating, which analyzed the impact of ADAS systems on claim frequency. For both analyses, LexisNexis Risk Solutions considered the same sample of 11 million vehicles from model years 2014-2019, and reviewed industry-wide claims loss data for bodily injury, property damage and collision coverages. For this follow-up report, we looked at the interactions between a core list of ADAS features and quantified the claim severity differential across all 648 possible combinations of those features. … “ Read more Hmmmm… Excellent. Finally there is data that supports that ADAS is indeed fundamentally good for the insurance industry in that it allows them to make more money. Not to be crass, but “crash mitigation” (airbag, energy absorbing car design, …) has been great for safety… saving lives, reducing occupant severity, … but, the liabilities associated with crash mitigation have increased. Claim Severity for both Physical Damage and Bodily Injury have gone up. Cars are more expensive to repair and it costs more if you live than if you die. 🙁.
For years I’ve been arguing that ADAS focused squarely on Crash Prevention {automated collision avoidance (that actually works well… does kick automatically to avoid collision 😎), not just “warning” (that is annoying. Because since it is just a warning there is no pressure to make it work well… just cover your butt! So, no pressure to make it work well. Consequently, “everyone” turns it off to avoid being annoyed… 🙁} is Automation’s best opportunity to deliver real safety… Save lives, …, and make $$$ for the Insurance industry!
For years, I’ve postulated that as soon as {“the expected liability savings for ADAS (the difference in the expected liability for me with&without…)” < (less than) “incremental cost of ADAS on the price of a car that I am about to buy (difference with&without)”}, my insurance agent (the Gecko, Flo, NJM, or ???) should insist on picking up the tab on the price difference as long as I continue to pay my existing premiums! Nothing but a win-win! I win because the probability that I die… is lower and the Gecko, Flo, NJM, or ??? smile all the way to the bank😎. These are real market forces.
This is the first report that I’ve seen that begins to quaintly the reduction in “expected liability” of ADAS based on real experiential data. To me, this is major!
Be sure to see the white paper True Impact of ADAS Features on Insurance Claim Severity Revealed and listen/watch the SDC Pod/ZoomCast 242. Alain
November 12, 2021
First across the Forth – and a royal visit
H. Posner, Nov 10, “UK-based rolling stock & battery technology manufacturer Vivarail noted a number of achievements during the first week of the COP26 UN Climate Change Conference in Glasgow. The opening Saturday of the conference on Saturday October 30 saw a historic run across the Firth of Forth, as the first electric train across the iconic bridge.
Vivarail was asked to operate its battery train for demonstration runs through the conference as part of the official Network Rail Green Trains@COP26 event. Each day the train has taken delegates and invited guests from around the world to showcase the best of new emission-free technology. In the first week the train carried hundreds of people from government, industry, academia, media and advocacy groups. … “ Read more Hmmmm… But you know that the Pop-Up Metro train was the First Across the Atlantic. Video, Slides and ZoomCast re: Pop-Up Metro. And there is always Alain climbing on #6988.😎. Absolutely Fantastic Henry. Alain
November 4, 2021
Tesla’s handling of braking bug in public self-driving test raises alarms
R. Mitchell, Nov. 3, “Tesla pushed out a new version of the experimental software suite it calls Full Self-Driving to approved drivers Oct. 23 through an “over the air” update.
The next morning, Tesla learned the update had altered cars’ behavior in a way the company’s engineers hadn’t intended.
In a recall report to federal safety regulators Friday, Tesla put the problems like this: The company discovered a software glitch that “can produce negative object velocity detections when other vehicles are present.”
In everyday English, Tesla’s automatic braking system was engaging for no apparent reason, causing cars to rapidly decelerate as they traveled down the highway, putting them at risk of being rear-ended. Forward collision warning chimes were ringing too, even though there was no impending collision to warn about…
Tesla’s response to the glitch raises its own concerns. While its engineers worked to fix the software, they turned off automatic braking and forward collision warning for the software testers over the weekend, the company said. …” Read more Hmmmm… At least the AEB was on this time around. I still contend that previous versions FSD (and autoPilot) had AEB turned off because of AEB’s propensity for false-positives. Tesla’s problems/challenges is today NOT with FSD. It is with AEB. It must solve the AEB’s false-positive problem BEFORE it goes back trying to improve FSD. A satisfactory AEB is a necessary precursor to any FSD. To date, Tesla has put the cart before the horse. It’s not pretty!
Emergency braking happens because weird things happen while driving. Disrespecting the system that is supposed to save you when weird things happen is very short-sighted. Explicitly turning it off is totally irresponsible and potentially criminal. Alain October 29, 2021
Tesla pulled its latest ‘Full Self Driving’ beta after testers complained about false crash warnings and other bugs
R. Lawler, Oct 24, “Tesla’s decision to test its “Full Self Driving” advanced driver assistance software with untrained vehicle owners on public roads has attracted scrutiny and criticism, and that was before this latest release.
Version 10.3 began rolling out on Saturday night / Sunday morning with a long list of release notes. The list mentions changes starting with introducing driver profiles that can swap between different characteristics for following distance, rolling stops, or exiting passing lanes. It’s supposed to better detect brake lights, turn signals, and hazard lights from other vehicles, along with reduced false slowdowns and improved offsetting for pedestrians.
However, on Sunday afternoon Elon Musk tweeted that Tesla is “Seeing some issues with 10.3, so rolling back to 10.2 temporarily.” Read more Hmmmm… The problems stem from version 10.3 loading with Automated Emergency Braking (AEB) enabled. Most everything is OK if AEB is disabled. Which, of course, is the fundamental problem with AutoPilot and FSD…
Tesla got ahead of itself figuring that autoPilot and then FSD were so much better. That made their “buggy” and thus annoying AEB superfluous. Rather than fix a lowly “Level 1” system, they simply may have turned it off.
They may finally realize that the AEB functionality is really needed and it needs to be almost perfect. Exceedingly few false positives or false negatives. Wow… Not so simple. They have a lot of hard work to do to fix what they had previously shoved under the rug. Alain October 24, 2021
Amazon’s self-driving cars are coming to downtown Seattle. Safety advocates are not pleased
K. Long, Oct 19, “… But an announcement Monday from Amazon’s self-driving car unit Zoox that it will soon start testing its autonomous vehicles in downtown Seattle drew criticism from transportation-safety advocates. The early promise of the technology, they said, has been overshadowed by a string of crashes and near-misses, due in part to lax oversight of the rapidly growing sector…” Read more Hmmmm… First news out of the box from the home town paper is this?? So discouraging. You just can’t win. 😭 Alain October 10, 2021
A Tesla mystery: Why didn’t auto-braking stop these crashes?
In Spanish
R. Mitchel, Oct 7, “Compared with so-called advanced driver assistance systems such as Autopilot, a forward collision avoidance system is relatively crude. It is designed to answer one question — is a frontal impact imminent? — and respond to danger by sounding a warning and, if necessary, triggering a subsystem called automatic emergency braking. Unlike Autopilot, which must be selected manually and is available only under some driving conditions, automatic emergency braking runs by default unless manually turned off….
Tesla calls its vehicles “the safest cars in the world,” citing their combination of structural engineering and advanced technology. But when it comes to the forward collision avoidance system, Tesla owners have been reporting problems at a substantially elevated rate compared with similarly equipped cars….
“Teslas are running into stationary objects,” said Alain Kornhauser, who heads the driverless car engineering program at Princeton University. “They shouldn’t be.” If the company’s cars can’t avoid crash scenes marked by flares or traffic cones, he said, “how can you trust anything else they do with Autopilot?”…
One possibility, according to Missy Cummings, a former Navy fighter pilot who studies human-machine interaction at Duke University, is that Autopilot is designed to preempt or suppress emergency braking to minimize what’s known as phantom braking.
“I haven’t seen the code to say how Tesla works, but I suspect the AEB is turned off in some situations,” she said. “If it were left on it may detect what are called phantom objects and would be slamming on the brakes.”… “ Read more Hmmmm… This story is great and is not what anyone else has written. Thank you, Russ, for doing all of the research and hard work that you put into this article.
I agree with Missy, (I haven’t seen the code either), but, rest assured, a perception algorithm is part of each of Tesla’s automated systems that “drive” their cars some of the time, be it its forward collision avoidance system (FCAS), autoPilot or FSD. They may each have its own or the best one is used in all three, but each has an FCAS; else, Teslas would never know to invoke any of the driving sub-tasks, like slow down or speed up or stay in the lane, or don’t hit me, or … If a Tesla perception system detects an objects that doesn’t exist and locates it as being in the lane ahead, i.e. a “stationary phantom object in the lane ahead”, then that perception system will signal to the automated driving system… to slow down and don’t hit it. If Tesla’s human driver is paying attention to what is going on and, of course, doesn’t see the phantom object (it is phantom = not real), then the alert driver is justified in losing trust that FCAS, autoPilot or FSD is reliable and won’t kill. The erosion of that trust leads to complaints, demands for refunds and substantial problems for Tesla.
Tesla has simply gotten ahead of itself in trying to get to Driverless too quickly, rather than making sure that Automated Emergency Braking (AEB) works better than “good enough”. My guess is, Tesla perception algorithm simply ignores stationary objects detected in the lane ahead and those detected to be to the side of the lane ahead.
Ignoring detected stationary objects is perfectly appropriate when following a car ahead. The car ahead didn’t crash into that detected stationary object ahead, so the coast is clear! I’ll be able to pass under/to the side/over it too! If the car ahead crashes into that object, Its sudden deceleration is readily perceived by the trailing Tesla’s AEB. As long as the Tesla has not been tailgating (which a good AEB should disallow), the Tesla should be able to stop in time to avoid crashing into the new pileup ahead. All easy, and likely not the scenario in any of the NHTSA crash investigations.
Not so easy if the Tesla is the lead vehicle, especially if the vehicle that the Tesla was following suddenly changes lanes and is no longer explicitly confirming that the Tesla’s road ahead is traversable, It is now the Tesla’s job to determine if it can pass under a stationary object in the lane ahead. That is simply not easy to do reliably. Not easy to determine the clearance under an overpass/sign/traffic light/tree canopy while approaching said overpass/… at any significant speed. If the object is classified as an overpass/sign/traffic light/tree canopy, the chance are really good that “passing under” is a breeze. However, if classification of the object is uncertain, then all bets are off.
I strongly suspect that Tesla’s perception algorithm disregards all stationary objects ahead when leading as well as when following. NHTSA has to tell Tesla to not do that any more!!! Tesla must go back, essentially to the beginning, and figure out how to reliably determine if it can pass under, beside or over stationary objects detected in the road ahead. Alain
1, 2021
Cruise gets the green light to give driverless rides to passengers in San Francisco
A. Hawkins, Sep 30, “Waymo and Cruise, two of the leading autonomous vehicle companies in the US, received permits from the California Department of Motor Vehicles to offer rides to passengers in their robotaxis.
But while Cruise was approved to give rides in its fully driverless vehicles without safety drivers, Waymo only is allowed to deploy its autonomous vehicles with a human monitor behind the wheel. In order to give rides to paying passengers in its fully driverless vehicles, as it does in Arizona, the Google spinoff would need to apply for an additional permit from the California Public Utilities Commission.
… Read more Hmmmm…
Congratulations Kyle, Robert and everyone else!!!! This is a non-trivial accomplishment!
Given all of the additional knocks on your door that will naturally come your way, we hope that you’ll keep us in mind. We here in NJ have assembled an enormously welcoming and realistic environment for Deployment to a customer base that will fundamentally benefit and cherish the Equitable, Affordable, High-Quality, Safe Mobility that is delivered by your Driverless Technology.
Hopefully you’ll divert a little bandwidth to our upcoming “5th Annual SDC Summit”, New Jersey’s next step in our process to help you and possibly others get to where you’ve gotten in California.
We are new kids on the block, but we’ve really gotten our act together to work with you and others to catch up quickly and really improve the quality-of-life for many here in New Jersey, and the rest of the NorthEast.
Again… Congratulations! So pleased and so well deserved!
Alain
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